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Voila le compresseur est enfin terminé ... mais un buzz persiste

Le problème du Threshold venait bien du câble sectionné, mais j'ai un buzz audible quand le compresseur est en Bypass et un peu plus fort quand il est activé.
J'ai lu sur The Lab et grâce à un membre d'audiofanzine (r.e.n) qu'il y avait une boucle de masse sur le PCB.

Les marques vertes représentent les morceaux de pistes à couper.
Je pense que je vais commencer par déplacer l'arrivée du transfo et le pont de diode à l'autre bout de la carte histoire d'éloigner au maximum l'arrivée sinusoïdale des VCA.

Sinon autre question en suspens, j'ai suivi exactement l'implantation des composants que Chef d'audiokitchen a imprimé sur les PCB. Or c'est la Rev7 du schéma (nous en sommes à la 9) et de plus je n'ai pas pris les mêmes VCA, donc je pense qu'il va falloir modifier deux ou trois résistances.

Pour finir une photo un peu plus large de l'assemblage




Merci au Ventre pour le prêt de l'appareil photo

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vendredi 10 février 2012 à 13:48 Baguep a dit : #179

@Vince14 :
Cool, Et puis c'est top, contrairement a moi qui n'ai fait qu'assembler un gros mécano, tu as fait tes PCB.
La je me lance dans le meme en version API500.

vendredi 10 février 2012 à 13:43 Vince14 a dit : #180

Salut, quelques news du GSSL depuis le mois de décembre !
- Le 78L12 était bien défectueux.
- TrueBypass : ça marche impec !
- Système anti plop pour les étourdis (comme moi) qui allume leur matos après les enceintes : réalisation simplifié d'un temporisateur proposé par Rémy sur
www.sonelec-musique.com/electronique_realisations_temporisateur_006.html
- Turbo Board from Expat Audio en mode switchable : Y a pas à dire, ça sonne vraiment mieux (plus large, moins écrasé)
- Super SC x 2 : je bloque :-( Le câblage avec la turbo board me pose problème. Si l'un d'entre vous à un schéma, je suis preneur !
Quelques photos de la bestiole www.arpege-studio.com/gssl/

@+

vendredi 09 décembre 2011 à 12:31 Baguep a dit : #181

@Vince14 :

Pour ton 7812, "re-chauffe" le et remet lui un apport de soudure, il n'y a peut être qu'un faux contact ;)
Je pense que je vais pas tarder a ré-ouvrir le mien, lui mettre de vrais VCA, un sidechain et le true bypass.

Mais bon les racks en format 500 me tentent bien en ce moment !

lundi 05 décembre 2011 à 19:41 Vince14 a dit : #182

Salut,
Pour les références du switch ça devrait le faire et l'ensemble des composants pour réalisation de la PCB TrueBypass arrive demain...let's Rock !
Effectivement, allumage des enceintes en derniers mais en cas d'oubli certains appareils (mon préamp par exemple) est beaucoup moins agressif :-))
Pour la mise sous/hors tension, Interrupteur type Rocker à bascule sur la phase en amont du transfo.
Vérification des tensions...et bien quand l'allumage se plante, le 78L12 me fait un beau 0V en sortie alors que sa tension d'entrée est correcte. Réception demain d'un nouveau 78L12 et on verra bien si celui-ci sera moins capricieux.
@++

dimanche 04 décembre 2011 à 23:06 Baguep a dit : #183

@Vince14 :
Je pense qu'en postant sur le forum, tu devrais trouver tes références ;)

Pour ton histoire de plop à l'allumage, c'est normal, on allume les écoutes en dernier et on les coupe en premier.
Par contre c'est pas normal ce faux contact, tu as un switch ON/OFF ? tu dois avoir une soudure sèche.

Tu as vérifié ton alim en mesurant les tensions ?

dimanche 04 décembre 2011 à 19:59 Vince14 a dit : #184

Salut,
merci pour ton retour rapide. Après câblage des XLR, modification des butées sur les 2 lorlin concernés, une bonne prise de tête avec un gros buzz sur la canal gauche (résolu en déplaçant l'alim sur l'arrivée externe de la PCB et en reliant le pin 1 du xlr input sur le 0v au même point que celui du connecteur alim sur la PCB)....Yeah..."THAT" sound great !!

Merci pour le lien vers les 19" sérigraphiés...je pense que je vais me laisser tenter :-)) Par contre, il semble que je sois obligé de faire évoluer mon clone ssl en mode Sidechain. vrai ? J'ai bien trouvé des plans pour faire la carte relais et la carte sidechain (du moins schémas à reproduire sur cartes à trous) mais pas moyen de mettre la main sur les références des 2 boutons poussoir :-(((
Autres points: ça claque dans les enceintes à l'allumage et à l'arrêt...pas top cool pour mes monitoring.
Lors de la mise sous tension, il arrive parfois que ça ne s'allume pas...du coup j'éteins, je rallume et ça démarre. Étrange !
Quoiqu'il en soit, content que les 1er pas audio du clone soient de qualité.
Merci pour ton soutien.

dimanche 04 décembre 2011 à 12:22 Baguep a dit : #185

@Vince14 :
Salut, pour le câblage de tes XLR tu as raison et c'est toujours ce schéma de câblage :
Point Chaud = + = 2
Point Froid = - = 3
Masse XLR = 0 = 1

Mon Rack je l'avais acheté chez thomann, ça ne coute pas très cher (environ 40 euros) par contre c'est vraiment pas top.
La meilleure solution c'est de te tourner vers Purusha http://www.diy-racked.com/diy-talk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18&start=0
Tu as un rack complet, sérigraphié, percé.

Tiens moi au courant de l'avancée de ton GSSL ;)

jeudi 01 décembre 2011 à 00:37 Vince14 a dit : #186

Salut,

merci pour ce blog...belle réalisation ! J'espère pouvoir arriver à faire aussi bien. :-)

Je me suis fait les PCB, implanté les composants, testé les tensions (+15, -15, +12, -12)...jusque là tout baigne.

1/ Je bloque sur le câblage des XLR. Si tu pouvais m'aiguiller. Je pensais + = 2, - = 3, 0 = 1 et terre edf relié au rack + embase des xlr. Suis je dans le vrai ?

2/ Où puis je acheter un rack 19" qui ne m'oblige pas à hypothéquer la maison ? :-)

3/ Je croise les doigts pour que les Lorlin soient bien câblés.

DIY...ou presque

Vince

samedi 22 janvier 2011 à 13:08 Max51 a dit : #187

Merci encore pour tes infos qui me sont encore d'une aide précieuse !
J'ai reçu les PCB, aujourd'hui, ça va swinguer !

samedi 22 janvier 2011 à 12:59 Nico a dit : #188

Bonjour!

Et encore merci pour ton aide avant tout !

J'ai fini de monter le mien mais j'ai un souci avec le threeshold, il ne déclenche pas... Le makeup fonctionne et quand j'enclenche le bypass ça fonctionne aussi puisque le makeup n'agit plus. c'est vraiment dans la partie détection que j'ai un souci. j'ai revérifié trois fois le sens de mes condensateurs et diodes, j'ai les bonnes tensions partout, mais je n'arrive pas à le faire fonctionner!

Sinon pour les résistances non renseignées que tu as enlevé (les 47k par exemple), tu as mis des ponts j'imagine à la place?

merci

Nico

samedi 22 janvier 2011 à 10:03 Baguep a dit : #189

@Max51 :
Salut, merci pour la visite ^^
-Pour les resistances, je pense que les photos ne sont pas les toutes dernières. J'ai fait la modif des résistances et j'ai eu besoin du compresseur, donc la flemme de le ré-ouvrir ... toussa ... Pour celles qui ne sont pas renseignées, je ne les ai pas mises.

-Pour la face avant et arriere, c'est clairement le truc chiant par excellence. Déja faut etre un minimum outillé et faut avoir de la place (Faire ça dans la cuisine de madame et/ou maman t'expose à de gros risques !!)
Perso j'ai acheté de petite scie cloche (trépan) pour les XLR et pour les découpe carrés et rectangles j'ai tout fait a la lime ... long ! J'ai fait un billet ---> ICI

-Regarde sur le forum de Frenchconnexion quelqu'un propose ses services d'impressions sur métal.
Sinon y'a des rack pret a l'emploi chez Purusha

Si ca peut t'aider

Ciao

jeudi 20 janvier 2011 à 18:59 Max51 a dit : #190

Salut,

Tout d'abord bravo et merci pour ce blog !
Il a grandement contribué à me motiver pour me lancer ce chantier ! Je devrais pas tarder à recevoir les PCBs de chez audiokitchen ;-)
J'ai bien décortiqué ton blog, ce qui a comblé bon nombre de mes lacunes ...mais du coup je me pose aussi pas mal de questions :
- Je compte utiliser des VCA 2180 et tu dis dans les com que tu as suivi les infos de Matt pour supprimer des résistances, qui indique de quasiment toutes les supprimer ! Or j'ai vu sur une de tes photos qu'il y en a qui traine encore sur ta PCB (genre une de 1Mohm qu'il indique de virer). Par ailleurs qu'as tu fait pour celles qui ne sont pas renseigner dans les infos de matt ? ( c'est peut être bête mais je suis un bille en électronique)
- sinon question plus terre à terre : dans ton rack, comment as-tu percé les emplacements du connecteur d'alim et du vu-mètre ? et où as tu fait sérigraphier ta face avant ? (je sais je suis un vrai assisté...)

Merci d'avance

dimanche 09 mai 2010 à 14:51 baguep a dit : #191

@Grag38 :
Salut, content que ton clone soit opérationnel !

Concernant les modifications de resistances, j'ai effectivement suivi les infos de Matts.
Je ne sais pas si ca a été bénéfique, car j'ai choisi de cabler le GSSL avec ces valeurs dès le début.


Pour le galva, j'ai utilisé le modèle le plus pourri de Farnell je pense ^^
Les 100euros du sifam m'avait refroidi a l'époque (je ne voulais pas claquer autant d'argent dans un projet que je ne savais pas encore viable ...)

Parcontre j'ai vu sur un site allemand des afficheurs a LED et j'ai commandé les pieces pour le faire.

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mardi 20 avril 2010 à 13:21 Grag38 a dit : #192

bon les 6db étaient une erreur de cablage des mes out xlr (mettre la masse en point chaud c'est pas top ! ).

C'est le galvanomètre qui m'embête maintenant. Quelles sont les valeurs résistance qure tu as utilisé pour ton ssl stp ?

mardi 20 avril 2010 à 01:24 Grag38 a dit : #193

Salut,

Je viens de monter mon compresseur SSL. Je travaille avec des VCA That 2180 ( ref 1354167 chez farwell). Je serait interessé de savoir si tu as supprimer des résistances comme il est expliqué sur ce lien : http://diy.fischerworks.com/gssl_vca.shtml

Sinon j'ai 6 db de différence de niveau entre mon L et R, si tu peux m'aider sur ce point...

J'ai le même interupteur que toi en 220V, mais la led ne s'allume pas (celle de l'inter pas celle de la platine des rotatifs). As tu réussi à le faire fonctionner ?

Merci de tes réponses éventuelles !!!

Raph

lundi 05 avril 2010 à 10:53 baguep a dit : #194

@Grag38 :
Salut,
Effectivement je n'ai plus de problèmes de Buzz.

Ils venaient du mauvais placement de l'alim. Sur la première photo tu vois l'alim arriver au milieu de la carte alors qu'elle devrait se situer dans le coin supérieur gauche (près des deux condos de filtrage). Penses aussi a déplacer ton pont de diodes.

J'en ai aussi profiter pour couper une piste comme indiqué sur mon schéma afin de couper la boucle de masse.

Depuis plus aucun problème.



Parconte je n'ai jamais comparé mon clone face a un original.
Si tu te lances dans cette réa je suis très interessé par le résultat.

mercredi 31 mars 2010 à 03:17 Grag38 a dit : #195

Superbe réalisation, as tu fini par resorber tes problèmes de buzz ?

Je suis vraiment interessé par ce DIY car je possède un G4000 de SSL et je voudrai bien pouvoir en avoir 1 ou 2 supplémentaire pour compresser certaines sections (drums, cuivre, piano), en live.

Merci

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